EC997 Dyno Tuning Rates |
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In general - |
WHEELSMITH We don't tune to some "push a button" fictitious AFR number - we tune for Best Power and use a high speed multi-gas gas Analyzer for the best power. engine smoothness at part throttle and mileage. Michael Jordan Racing used one until 2012 and Vesrah Racing used the same EC997 dyno as we use. |
EC997 dyno test flat rate |
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4 stroke: $80 initial test - add $20 for 4 gas EGA info |
fuel rates, fuel rate stagger,
diagnose fuel rates, ignition timing, fuel stagger, relative combustion
process temperature (optional). AMA level Tuning consult additional. (EC997 dynos are not prone to tuning errors that dynojet and dynojet clones are known for). There are few people who have more varied 250 carb tuning experience than WSR, mundane to crazy, after AMA National trackside tuning for 10+ years. |
2 stroke diagnostic with 4 or 5 gas EGA: $100 | |
6 hours (one day) of 2 stroke tuning: $1000. | |
Had your bike "custom tuned to an AFR" already? Downloaded what is
supposed to be the "right" map for your exhaust?
Feel that it's still not "right"? Burbly at cruise? Black exhaust pipe? Poor
mileage?
Those are all results of possible poor tuning. Engines don't want a
simplistic "AFR" at all rpms, loads, throttle positions and engine temps.
The most consistent method get them right is to use a dyno like the Realtime
HP readout EC997 and a 4 or 5 gas EGA - Without this sort of dyno equipment,
a tuner has to make an educated guess (and, objectively, there are a few
dynojet owners who can deliver pretty good results using educated guessing)
Add-on boxes: Teka 4, Power Commander, Rapidbike, Bazzaz and similar
Replacement ECU's: Ducati Microtec and Nemesis, KRT Kaw, Suzuki Yosh EMS, Honda HRC, Yamaha YEC and Magneti Marelli and similar.
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Tuning Device - Custom Tuning | tune fuel |
tune ign |
tune acc pump | qs | notes | cable and software reqs | |
Carburetor Tuning | |||||||
"CV" type carb | |||||||
Carb Tuning 3 or 4 cylinder cv carb | 775 | installing, dyno and tuning - note: modified engines may required additional work and cost. | |||||
Carb Tuning 2 cylinder cv carb | 475 |
installing, dyno and tuning add $50 for KTM 950 |
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Carb Tuning 1 cylinder cv carb | 375 | installing, dyno and tuning | |||||
"Slide" type - Mikuni HSR, Keihin FCR, CRS, VM, etc. | |||||||
Carb Tuning 3 or 4 cylinder (normal FCR inc jets and dyno work) |
775 to 1000 |
installing, dyno and tuning - note: modified engines may required additional work and cost. | |||||
Carb Tuning 2 cylinder (normal FCR inc jets and dyno work) |
675 to 775 | installing, dyno and tuning - note: modified engines may require additional work and cost. | |||||
Carb Tuning 1 cylinder (normal FCR inc jets and dyno work) |
425 |
We can use the "secret" emulsion tube for the
oem off road
FCR's. We've done many. many FCR's for trail, SM and MX use and have
the patent for the HDJ emulsion tube. installing and tuning |
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Lectron | T&M |
customer supplies required tuning parts. billed at Time and Material |
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S&S Super E and G and similar on Harley Davidson, etc. | T&M |
customer supplies required tuning parts. billed at Time and Material The S&S supplied Tuning Instructions are only a very rough, general idea of what circuit affects which part of the throttle and rpm band on a relatively stock engine. It's usual to have to deviate from the instructions to get best mileage, power and response. |
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Yamaha tz250, Honda rs250, Aprilia rs250, RD 350/400 and other 2 strokes | |||||||
one diagnostic test with 4 gas EGA | 100 | ||||||
one day, tune carbs, ign, swap pipes, etc. aprox. 6 hrs,
customer supply tuning labor. |
1000 |
Customer makes changes. This is the same dyno that
most every later AMA 250 national championship rider used. Dynojet Inertia
dyno testing does not work optimally on race 2 strokes. Note: This "6 hours" does not guarantee a perfectly tuned engine - it is for 6 hours of testing and tuning. For example, you can dial in the mains, main air jets, needles, nozzles, float heights, pilots and air/fuel screws and still be left with too rich of a slide (which are too varied and expensive to stock). Modifying and dialing in slides can take 8 hours. Or you can get on the phone and in 15 minutes, just buy leaner cutaway slides (not really - it doesn't take 8 hours to dial in a two stroke twin's slides after you've done the lion's share of the work). |
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FUEL INJECTION TUNING | |||||||
Add-on boxes | tune fuel |
tune ign |
tune acc pump | qs | notes | cable and software reqs | |
Teka 4 and SFI Tuning | |||||||
Teka 4 usb (add on box) | 375 | ind (2 cyl) or paired (4 cyl) tuning add $100 | nothing extra required | ||||
Teka SFI reprogram stock Suzuki ecu
(all high rpm bikes) |
375 | The Teka SFI reprograms the stock ecu - no permanently installed parts are required | nothing extra required | ||||
Teka SFI reprogram stock Suzuki ecu (M109 and <7000 rpm cruisers) |
375 | The Teka SFI reprograms the stock ecu - no permanently installed parts are required | nothing extra required | ||||
Power Commander, Bazzaz, Dimsport | |||||||
Power Commander 2 - call | 575 | na | we have cable and software | ||||
Power Commander 3 / 3R serial | 475 | 100 for 3R | na | na | we have cable and software | ||
Power Commander 3 usb (fuel only) | 375-475 | 100 ign | 25 acc pump | 50qs | we have cable and software | ||
Power Commander 3 usb ( fuel and ignition) | 375-475 | 100 ign | 25 acc pump | 50qs | we have cable and software | ||
Power Commander 5 (fuel) | 375-475 |
25 acc pump |
50qs | we have cable and software | |||
Power Commander 5 (fuel and ign) | 375-475 | 100 ign |
25 acc pump |
50qs | we have cable and software | ||
Power Vision | 675 | 100 ign | 25 acc pump | 50qs | add 100 for updating PV unit | ||
Bazzaz and Dimsport | 475 | ign 175 if enabled | na | 50 | ind or paired tuning not available from Bazzaz. | we have cable and software | |
Replacement ECUs | tune fuel |
tune ign |
tune acc pump | qs | notes | cable and software reqs | |
Bazzaz ECU (actually it's EFI Technologies) | 1750 | ign inc | na | your disc and cable required | |||
EFI Technologies ecu, if runnable map installed | 1500 | ign inc | meaning that the installed map is runnable around a track | your disc and cable required | |||
EFI Technologies ecu, if starting essentially from
scratch |
~2500 | ign inc | meaning that you can get it started, but essentially, we would be starting with unusable maps | your disc and cable required | |||
EMS Pro Suzuki Yoshimura ecu 600cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc and cable required | ||
EMS Pro Suzuki Yoshimura ecu 1000cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc and cable required | ||
HRC Honda ecu 600cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc required, we have cable | ||
HRC Honda ecu 1000cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc required, we have cable | ||
KRT Kawasaki ecu 600cc / 636cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc required, we have cable | ||
KRT Kawasaki ecu 1000cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc required, we have cable | ||
Magneti Marelli - Yamaha - Ducati |
Recommended | 775 base | ign extra | Experienced in Mag Mar systems tuning Recent Ducati and Yamaha R6 | your disc and cable required | ||
Microtec ecu - Ducati - MV |
Recommended | 775 | 175 |
Both fuel and ignition are always done Second map done at the same time: $325 Referred by Ducshop. Have tuned quite a few Microtec ecu's. |
we have Microtec cable and 197 software but bring yours for backup. | ||
Nemesis ecu - Ducati |
Recommended | 775 | 175 |
Both fuel and ignition are always done Second map done at the same time: $325 Have tuned many Nemesis ecu's. |
we have Nemesis cable and software | ||
Weber ecu |
as quoted | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc and cable required | ||||
Walbro ecu |
as quoted | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc and cable required | ||||
YEC Yamaha ecu 600cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc required, we have cable | ||
YEC Yamaha ecu 1000cc |
Recommended | 675 | ign included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | your disc required, we have cable | ||
YEC Yamaha R7 stock tuning box |
An interesting device - Have tuned 1 in Colorado. |
995 | ign included |
MUSY HAVE MANUAL! Both fuel and ignition are always done |
you supply tuning box and documentation | ||
REFLASHING | tune fuel |
tune ign |
tune acc pump | qs | notes | cable and software reqs | |
S&S Pro Tuner II for HD |
can have issues with map
consistency. 02/2013 |
875 | ign inc | na | fuel, acc pump and ignition are always done | ||
HD Super Tuner | 775 | ign inc | acc pump inc | na | fuel, acc pump and ignition are always done | your box required | |
HD Race Tuner | 775 | ign inc | acc pump inc | na | fuel, acc pump and ignition are always done | your box required | |
Power Vision |
pleasantly surprised, works well! Often needs a lot of software updates to use |
475 | 100 | + $100 for Power Vision downloads, updates and setup | |||
Microtec ecu - Ducati |
Recommended
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(has realtime tuning) |
775 | 175 ign |
Both fuel and ignition are always done Second map done at the same time: $375 Referred by Ducshop. Have tuned quite a few Microtec ecu's. |
we have Microtec cable and 197 software but bring yours for backup. | ||
Microtec ecu -MV Augusta |
Recommended - (has realtime tuning) | 775 | 175 ign |
Both fuel and ignition are always done Second map done at the same time: $375 Referred by Ducshop. Have tuned quite a few Microtec ecu's. |
we have Microtec cable and 197 software but bring yours for backup. | ||
Tuneboy WIFI w cust supplied code |
Recommended method -
(has realtime tuning) Mitsubishi ecu Diavel, MTS1200 |
775 | ign 175 | New Tuneboy WIFI is awesome for custom tuning. My Eddy Current dyno tuner's delight - it does realtime tuning to get the engine running perfectly. | you need to supply the WIFI cable | ||
Tuneboy
- w cust supplied code Aprilia, Benelli, Buell, KTM, MG, custom tuned |
775 | ign 175 | your password required, we have Aprilia and Triumph cable, If Benelli, you need to supply the cable 04/15/10. | ||||
Tuneboy -
Triple Triumph
- w cust supplied code |
675 | ign 100 | your password required, we have Tuneboy Triumph cable | ||||
Tuneboy
- Twins - w cust supplied code |
575 | ign 100 | your password required | ||||
TuneECU - Triumph twins Triumph, most all FI, but check on latest models for application |
Recommended Triumph twins |
575 | 100 |
FI tuning a custom set of maps for TuneECU is less
money than an add-on box + custom mapping. |
we have Triumph cables, | ||
TuneECU - many KTM - Triumph triples Aprilia Caponord, Futura RST KTM 990 / 1190 / 690 Duke / 690 SMC & Enduro / 690 Supermoto Triumph triple, most all FI, but check on latest models for application |
Recommended KTM 990 Triumph triple some Aprilia |
675 for fuel maps |
100 for ignition maps |
FI tuning a custom set of maps for TuneECU is less
money than an add-on box + custom mapping. |
we have KTM and Triumph cables, If Benelli or Aprilia, you need to supply the cable 04/15/10. | ||
Chip Programming | tune fuel |
tune ign |
tune acc pump | qs | notes | cable and software reqs | |
Aprilia, BMW, Ducati. Moto Guzzi Custom Chips - | 1500 | included | Both fuel and ignition are always done | we have dedicated software system | |||
All prices subject to change.
Special prices are time limited.
Usual Scheduling Scenarios:
Usual tuning time is 2-3 days for Teka 4's, Teka SFI's, Power Commanders.
Priority Service is available as our scheduling permits. Add $100.
Factory type "race" ecu's will take 2-3 days as they are more complex. Priority
Service can be tentatively planned, but, sometimes derailed by software issues.
Nemesis ecu and custom chips take about a week.
Other, rarer ecu's can take 1 to 2 weeks, to allow for weird software issues (as
they do exist)
As our scheduling permits, it's often possible to drop a bike
off on Friday and pick up Monday.
It usually OK to drop the bike off on your day off and pick up next week's day
off without
additional storage charges.
Other tuning devices and tuning systems -
We listed what we've done in the past. We've done some others and just don't
remember - and done some that we don't want to do ever again. Ask or Email Marc
marc@factorypro.com if yours isn't listed.
As far as newer unlisted tuning systems and ecu's?
We've done a fair number of different race ecu's and have a good handle on how
and what the software needs to generally do - so, starting with a new software
won't usually be a totally different deal for us and additional charges should
be relatively minor.
Thanks -
WSR
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